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  • This discussion will contained any theories you might have about Rise of the Guardians and The Childhood of the Guardians series.

    Remember that these theories are opinions and while you might not agreed with them, you shoud respect everyone's opinions.

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    • Jack's Parents are:

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      The facts that might support this theory are:

      • In the books series, Nightlight and Katherine have showed strong feeling for each other. They go as far as to protect the other from danger. Also Nightlight has referred to Katherine as “My Katherine”.
      • In The Sandman and the War of Dreams, Nightlight woke Katherine up from Pitch’s Nightmares with a kiss of good night. For one eternal instant, Nightlight’s lips touched Katherine’s, and all of Pitch’s dark spells were gone (Page 208).
        As the moonbeam had told Sandy, he couldn’t use the power of the kiss and stay a Nightlight. Change was coming. Nightlight could feel that. But he was not alone. Katherine once again took his hand (page 220).
        Good dreams were had by all. Even Nightlight. For the first time, the boy who never slept finally did (page 221).

        As we can see Nightlight won’t stay a child forever and he will start to grow, but Katherine would be there to support him.
      • At the end of The Sandman and the War of Dreams, there’s a preview of what to come. One of these is Katherine’s and Nightlight’s fate unfold! By mentioning them both together we can speculate that their fate is connected in some way.
      • But the biggest fact that might support the theory comes from the Jack Frost Picture Book. In which we see Jack’s shadow in the shape of Nightlight. This may represent that Jack and Nightlight are similar in many ways. And what better way than being father and son.

      Note: While some fans has said that Jack is Nightlight, we have to remember that Jack’s history was explained in the movie, and William Joyce has stated that Rise of the Guardians takes place after the events of the book series.

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    • Throughout the books, two of them developed a strong bond that continued to grow stronger and to the point that they can't bear to be without the other.

      One of the pages of the Jack Frost book that was in preview, features Nightlight fighting Pitch, meaning that Nightlight is in the book for a reason.

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    • What do you think of this? The theory is that Nightlight became Jack Frost, and that Katherine became Mary (Jack's little sister), I prefer the parent theory, but what do you think of this theory?

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    • That is an interesting theory that Nightlight and Jack are one in the same. I have that theory from several fanfics to fanart. I still prefer the parent theory.

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    • Btw, I really like The Rush's theory, and have one similar to it, I'll write it on this Wiki when I'm done procrastinating XD

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    • I like the theory too and we are looking forward to see your theory, Ember.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: That is an interesting theory that Nightlight and Jack are one in the same. I have that theory from several fanfics to fanart. I still prefer the parent theory.

      (Sorry I saw this after posting the second comment!) Me too, but I actually don't really like the idea of Katherine being Mary, since Jack and Mary are siblings..

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: I like the theory too and we are looking forward to see your theory, Ember.

      Thanks :)

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    • (That's all right, Ember.)

      I agree, Katherine somehow turning into a little girl doesn't seem likely.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: I like the theory too and we are looking forward to see your theory, Ember.

      Thanks :)


      You're welcome.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: (That's all right, Ember.)

      I agree, Katherine somehow turning into a little girl doesn't seem likely.

      Yeah, I can't really see it...

      But here's a question: I wonder if Pitch noticed the similarities to Jack and Nightlight, like seen in the fanart?

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    • (Nods)

      I'm not sure if he did or not. I would think so, since Jack and Nightlight look very similiar to each other.

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    • interesting theory.... wonder if Jack will shed any light on this. I mean... if he got back memories of his family that is... 

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    • Jack's sister

      Jack Frost's sister name is...

      Mary Overland Frost

      The Reasons for this:

      • William Joyce's daughter name is Mary Katherine Joyce. (Since the name Katherine has been used in another character. The name Mary will be a best choice)
      • William has said that Mary is the reason behind The Guardians of Childhood series.
      • At the end of Rise of the Guardians, the movie gives thanks to Mary, who has passed away from a brain tumor.
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      • Jack and his sister in a way may represent the relationship between William's children. Note: Jack Frost's full name is Jackson Overland Frost and William's son name is Jackson Edward Joyce.
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    • I think that Mary is Jack's sister's name too, because of the reasons you mentioned. On a side note, Mary Katherine Joyce was the William Joyce's oldest child and Jackson being the younger sibling.

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    • Plot Twist XD

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    • Yep. :)

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    • I can agree with this logic.... although only Jack would know for sure... *thoughtful*

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    • Rush, I agree with your theories. There is this fanfiction I read posing Katherine and Nightlight as Jack's parents, and the reasons were somewhat logical. And about Jack's sister's name -- I think I like that theory, too. 

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    • Another thing that makes me think that Jack and Nightlight are related: both carry a staff. 

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    • @Sky What about the other guardians who saw Nightlight? Wouldn't they notice the similarities between Jack and Nightlight?

      @The Rush I agree, but I thought Jack's name when he was a human was Overland, and when he was a spirit Frost was just added to it? So from Jackson Overland to Jackson Overland Frost, but you think his name last name was Frost when he was a human too? Also, should Katherine be in the topics for this Thread too?

      @FlightFeathers Agreed.

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    • @Ember I'm not sure about the others. One would think that they would notice something like that.

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    • I would think they would notice too, but Idk :/

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    • Don't know either.

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    • good question... I think though his last name was Frost even when he was human. hard to say though. 

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: Don't know either.

      I don't think they really acted like it in the movie though, but Idk, if they did act like that then I don't remember bcuz I haven't watched the movie in a while :/

      @The Rush Yeahhh, I'm gonna add Katherine to the Topics part (unless you or Skye say not to).

      EDIT: (About the Topics thing) Nevermind, it said it can't have more then 4 ^.^'

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    • @Ember Yeah, I think didn't see that either.

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    • Yeah, which I think is kinda weird, since I think they should have noticed the similarities Nightlight and Jack :/ Unless they would've already known why they're so similar? Like maybe Nightlight really is Jack's dad, maybe they already knew Jack's dad is Nightlight, so maybe that's why they never brought it up or anything??

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    • Agreed. Could be. That could be it, but who knows?

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    • I don't! XD

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    • I don't either.

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    • The only reason I think Nightlight is likely NOT Jack's father is due to the timeline. I mean... if I've gotten everything of my research on Jack and the others right.... Jack wasn't born until long after the two would have died and I'm pretty sure they weren't immortal - I think Nightlight lost his immortality (if he ever had it) when he kissed Kathrine. They were alive near the begining of the four, original, Guardians... which was WAY before Jack was even human (he lived during Colonial times) so.... just my 2 cents (from what research I've done).


      Anyway, as I mentioned before... only Jack would know who his parents are.... or were rather.

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    • In my theory he's a descendant, but maybe not son. And if he doesn't remember his sister's name, would he really remember who his parents were? Especially since we never even saw his dad or his mom's face.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      In my theory he's a descendant, but maybe not son. And if he doesn't remember his sister's name, would he really remember who his parents were? Especially since we never even saw his dad or his mom's face.

      It's never stated he doesn't remember his sister's name actually. That we never get a name is a given that we don't know... but that doesn't mean Jack doesn't remember.

      Also, I think there is a brief glimpse of his mother's face, but you kinda have to be really paying attention to notice as it's so quick. 

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    • If you're talking about in the movie, then he never said it and only said (after his memories) "I had a sister!" but if you're talking about the User(s) on this Wiki, then they all/almost all said they don't remember.

      I don't think so, but we get really close. When Jack's memories first begin, if you slow it WAY down, it shows Mary (Jack's sister) facing towards her mom so that we see the side of her face, but we only see the side of the mom (facing Mary) turning towards Jack, but we don't actually see her face. I'll get some pictures and gifs in a minute.

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    • Pictures:

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    • Gif:

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      I know that this gif shows mostly Mary, but you can see the way she turned.

      So we almost got to see it, but we didn't.

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    • actually the scene I was thinking of was when they were going out to skate.... Jack's fateful decision to take his sister (Mary ?) skating on the nearby pond.


      also I WAS talking about the movie too. 

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    • But it still doesn't show her face:

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      See?

      You can see more pictures of her here, but none of them show her face.

      And when you said "(Mary ?)" look at the theory above about Jack's sister's name which explains why I call her that.

      What do you mean "also I WAS talking about the movie too"?

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    • you said "if you're talking about the movie" that was why I said that. 

      and I saw the explanation for her name, as much sense as it makes... well, I don't want to put too much faith in it without finding out first hand from Jack. I don't like making asumptions, no matter how convincing the evidence. 

      • shrugs* I guess you can say I was different that way when I was human. might be why no one ever "got" me
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    • But when you say things like "only Jack can know" it sounds like you're talking about one of the Users here. Like, User:Jack Frost ROTG, User:Jackson Overland Frost, User:THEREALJackFrost, User:Guardians ROTG and others.

      Yep. Well, I'm gonna call her Mary until we know.

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    • Rise-guardians-disneyscreencaps.com-4962
      My gosh! Is Bunny's worst nightmare. 4 Jacks in one place. *Add random scream for dramatic effect*
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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

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      My gosh! Is Bunny's worst nightmare. 4 Jacks in one place. *Add random scream for dramatic effect*

      XD I'm pretty sure there are more though.

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    • Hey Jack, we were making theories about who your parents might be.

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    • While reading some of theories in here, I remember something. What if Katherine's parents are clue?

      Note: She doesnt remember much about her parents and I would like to see Tooth helpin her remember some of her memories.

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    • Well, she had her baby tooth with the memories of her parents, provided by Tooth, but Pitch took the tooth and saw the memories and rotted the tooth. I hope Katherine learns about them.

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    • I didn't mean a human user knew. I meant Jack Frost, sorry for the lack of clarification for you. I thought it was obvious. not used to explaining myself so fully... so forgive me if I slip up

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    • It's not about explaining, you can't just walk in the movie and ask Jack, so obviously it would be assumed you're talking about a User here.

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    • walk into the movie? where do you people get your ideas from? *confused that such a notion would be thought of*

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    • *Facepalm* You said "I didn't mean a human user", but if you don't mean that then there's no other Jack to ask because you can't just walk in the movie and ask him.

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    • of course there is! wait... do I need to explain again? 

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    • This is a discussion forum, not a role play, Secret. This forum is for theories and headcanons only.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      This is a discussion forum, not a role play, Secret. This forum is for theories and headcanons only.

      someone want to explain what this role play thing is that everyone keeps saying I'm doing? I am still learning a lot really ... and adjusting to my life... it would help

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    • Explain again? Where was the first?? And no; the only Jack Frost you can talk to is the users here, again, it's not like you can walk into the movie.

      Thank you, Skye.

      Ugh, can you just stop? 1) It's a role play, but no longer fun, 2) There's already someone who rps the Guardian of Love, 3) This forum is for Theories, not role playing.

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    • Here is some sites with definitions of what you are doing, which is role play: [1] [2]. You are acting as a character.

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    • @Ember You're welcome.

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    • lol. Seems as if this whole discussion has turned into a fight. XD

      PS: Before people gang up on me ('tis a joke, people; 'tis a joke), I think I should tell you guys that I knew I shouldn't have said anything here, since what I said was not the least bit related to the topic that is being discussed. 

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      In my theory he's a descendant, but maybe not son. And if he doesn't remember his sister's name, would he really remember who his parents were? Especially since we never even saw his dad or his mom's face.

      I don't understand what you said here, Ember. You said that he didn't remember his parents, because we never saw them. Him not remembering his parents, just because we never got to see them (clearly, in his mother's case) in his memories shown in the movie, doesn't mean he never saw them. Right? 

      Also, he must remember his sister's name. After he saw his memoies, he shouted, "I had a sister!" (or whatever he shouted out), and this response does not determine that he didn't know his sister's name. He only mentioned her once, after seeing his memories.

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    • @Flight You have said things that are related to the topic here. You are fine. There isn't a fight, though there is a User that isn't acknowledging what she is doing is role play, which is not allowed in discussion. Opinions are allowed here, as long they fix into the topic.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      Explain again? Where was the first?? And no; the only Jack Frost you can talk to is the users here, again, it's not like you can walk into the movie.

      Thank you, Skye.

      Ugh, can you just stop? 1) It's a role play, but no longer fun, 2) There's already someone who rps the Guardian of Love, 3) This forum is for Theories, not role playing.

      well... I did explain myself once... or I thought I did... 

      where does one get a notion to walk into the movie?

      again.... what is this role play? no one seems to have answered that question for me yet. 

      is it against rules for me to be myself or something?  *very confused*

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    • I gave you links about the definition of role playing.

      You are pretending to be Cupid, that is role playing, not acting like yourself in real life.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      Here is some sites with definitions of what you are doing, which is role play: [1] [2]. You are acting as a character.

      There are the links for you to click and look.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      I gave you links about the definition of role playing.

      You are pretending to be Cupid, that is role playing, not acting like yourself in real life.

      musta missed them the first time....   

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      Skyebreeze wrote:
      Here is some sites with definitions of what you are doing, which is role play: [1] [2]. You are acting as a character.
      There are the links for you to click and look.

      so....  you think I'm lying.....  I feel sorry for you and... I won't lie... it does hurt... I guess that's what I get for trying to get someone to believe who wasn't a kid...  *sighs sadly* well... at least I can say I tried...  *decides to go back to trying to get kids to believe*

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    • (Nods) You are role playing. I know in reality, you are not Cupid, you are someone who wants to pretend to be that character.

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    • well... guess you'll believe whatever you want.... why is it so hard to convince adults? oh well...  *sighs sadly and goes off to find some kids*

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    • Sky, it's no use telling Cupid that she is roleplaying. Since she joined this wikia with this identity (like so many Jack Frosts), she will obviously act like her character. Her claim that she doesn't understand what we are saying is just her sticking up to the identity she has embraced. She is roleplaying, I realize that, but as long as she is discussing the topic, before this argument started, let's just ignore all the unacceptables.

      Also, there was no offence intended. So, if everything is resolved, can we talk about our theories now? Because this forum is getting off topic.

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    • @Flight Yeah, I know.

      Sure, let's get back on topic.

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    • True, Jack has his memories, but it is going to take time for everything from his human life to return to him, including the names of everyone he knew.

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    • Hmm... Also, I think for him to accept his memories will take time. And that is just natural.

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    • Yeah, I think so too.

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    • Oh, and does anybody else think that Jamie is related to Jack? He could be his sister's descendant. He always seemed so attached to Jamie, even before he became a Guardian; also, Mary and Jamie have almost the same looks -- the big eyes, the brown hair,and the shape of their face. Man, even their smile is the same. 

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    • Yeah, I think they are related and the directors said they wanted to expand on that idea. Jamie and Jack's sister do look very much alike.

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    • It would be interesting if they did expand on that idea.

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    • Yeah, I agree.

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    • Now, I have another headcanon which is about Tooth.

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    • All right, what is it Flight?

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    • I have always thought, though many would disagree, that Toothiana isn't only admiring the teeth: she is also admiring the memories inside them. Teeth which are clean contain clear memories, and those which are -- what to say? -- have plaque -- or are yellowed -- have memories that are, well, unclear. So, when she sees a clean tooth, she loves it, but, what she loves more, is seeing the joyous memories.

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    • Tooth does have the power to look at the memories of the children and she really does like them when they are white.

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    • The Rush wrote:

      Jack's sister

      Jack Frost's sister name is...

      Mary Overland Frost

      The Reasons for this:

      • William Joyce's daughter name is Mary Katherine Joyce. (Since the name Katherine has been used in another character. The name Mary will be a best choice)
      • William has said that Mary is the reason behind The Guardians of Childhood series.
      • At the end of Rise of the Guardians, the movie gives thanks to Mary, who has passed away from a brain tumor.
      MaryKatherineROTG
      • Jack and his sister in a way may represent the relationship between William's children. Note: Jack Frost's full name is Jackson Overland Frost and William's son name is Jackson Edward Joyce.

      Not to mention that Mary is a very common name like Jack.

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    • This theory popped up in my mind while I was thinking about Tooth's strange obsession for teeth. It was unusual for her to love teeth so much, when, in her past life, she never gave teeth much thought. It was after she viewed her memories everything started.

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    • @FlightFeathers *Facepalm* Did you even read the whole message? Ugh, I didn't say he didn't see them, I said we didn't, which doesn't have to do with him remembering them. Obviously he saw his mother's face, he looked at her. So, obviously I'm going to have to categorize what I mean for you -_-

      1) "And if he doesn't remember his sister's name, would he really remember who his parents were?" I thought this was pretty self explanatory, but obviously it wasn't. I didn't say that he didn't remember his sister's name, but since he never said it, I'll (and most others if you look on different websites) assume he doesn't know, the point was that if he didn't remember his sister's name, would he remember his parents names.

      2) "Especially since we never even saw his dad or his mom's face." This didn't have to do with him remembering, it was that since we never even saw their faces, maybe when they were making the movie they didn't think it was important or didn't have enough time (or didn't want to spoil something in the books, like The Rush said) so maybe they made it so that he didn't remember.

      And I don't see how saying "I had a sister!" makes you think he remembers her name.

      And I'm not even going to bother correcting you about the "fight" thing you said because Skye already did.

      @Secret When?

      Ugh, do you read anything I post? I'll say it again, if you don't mean the role players, then who are you talking about? You can't just walk in the movie and ask Jack -_- Wow, is she the ONLY one who doesn't understand what I mean?? Skye, do you know what I mean??

      Ugh, I'm not even going to bring up the role playing either since she's going to continue no matter what -_-

      @Flight Yeah, we know -_-

      @Skye ("True, Jack has his memories, but it is going to take time for everything from his human life to return to him, including the names of everyone he knew.") That's also what I mean by what I said to Flight in 1).

      @Flight Yep, pretty much everyone thinks that.

      Yep, agreed about the tooth thing.

      @Iscreamer1 Yep.

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    • @Flight Yeah.

      @Ember I understand what you mean about "walking into a movie."

      @Iscreamer1 Agreed.

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    • Thank you! That makes me feel a little better -_-

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    • @Ember You're welcome and I do know what you are talking about here.

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    • Thank you!

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      @FlightFeathers *Facepalm* Did you even read the whole message? Ugh, I didn't say he didn't see them, I said we didn't, which doesn't have to do with him remembering them. Obviously he saw his mother's face, he looked at her. So, obviously I'm going to have to categorize what I mean for you -_-

      1) "And if he doesn't remember his sister's name, would he really remember who his parents were?" I thought this was pretty self explanatory, but obviously it wasn't. I didn't say that he didn't remember his sister's name, but since he never said it, I'll (and most others if you look on different websites) assume he doesn't know, the point was that if he didn't remember his sister's name, would he remember his parents names.

      2) "Especially since we never even saw his dad or his mom's face." This didn't have to do with him remembering, it was that since we never even saw their faces, maybe when they were making the movie they didn't think it was important or didn't have enough time (or didn't want to spoil something in the books, like The Rush said) so maybe they made it so that he didn't remember.

      And I don't see how saying "I had a sister!" makes you think he remembers her name.

      And I'm not even going to bother correcting you about the "fight" thing you said because Skye already did.

      I am sorry that I misunderstood what you said, Ember, but, if you will read what you said in that comment, you'll realize that it was confusing. After you said about him not remembering his sister and parent's name, you said, "Especially when we didn't see his dad or his mom's face." This makes one think that if we didn't see them, he didn't exactly remember them... You know what, I'll just shut up, and won't tell what made me confused. Again, I apologize, and, one more thing (no offence): don't lose your calm so quickly -- it might hurt another, one day.

      And, no, I didn't say that his exclamation acts as an evidence for remembering his sister's name. For example, if I say, "I have a sister," after I recover from my amnesia, and only mention my sister once [the exclamation], doesn't mean that you can say I still haven't remembered my sister's name; I may have remembered it, or I may have not. I was trying to tell that you can't just say he doesn't remember his sister's name becouse he never said it out loud. And when I said that he must remember her name, I meant that, after seeing so much, why wouldn't he? I should have been clear there, so sorry about that.

      Oh, by the way, I knew it wasn't a fight. It was a joke -- what I said, that is. I mentioned it. And I was XD-ing and all. Again, I am sorry for being unclear.

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    • @Ember No problem.

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    • But people already know that he saw his mom's face, so obviously I didn't mean that he didn't see his parents. Ugh, sorry it's just that some people on this Wiki like to intentionally make me mad (no one here, not you, not TheSecretGuardian, I'm talking about different people) so I guess I'm just kinda expecting it now.

      I know; but I think he didn't say it because of something that'll happen in the books (like The Rush said) or something like that, tbh.

      Okay.

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    • True, the directors might not want to spoil the rest of the Guardians of Childhood series. We'll see.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:

      I know; but I think he didn't say it because of something that'll happen in the books (like The Rush said) or something like that, tbh.

      That must be the case. I wonder what Joyce has up his sleeve...

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    • Yeah, so maybe he does remember, but they didn't want to spoil something? :/

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    • Now, what would that "something" be? Any ideas anybody can think up?

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    • Maybe the identity of Jack's parents? I'm not completely sure.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: Maybe the identity of Jack's parents? I'm not completely sure.

      That's what I think it is.

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    • Yeah, because I remember at the end of Book 4, one of the previews for the final chapter book is that Nightlight and Katherine's fate will be revealed.

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    • Interesting..

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    • Yeah, because Nightlight became a normal boy that can sleep and dream, because he did the kiss of good night to save Katherine.

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    • Okay, well, I hope we find out everything.

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    • Same here.

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      • still a little offended, but knows can't do anything about it* 
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    • Ugh, since you're going to drag this out so much, fine. Prove you're the real Guardian of Love. Remember that you don't have to use romantic love, any love counts, but prove it, and you'll have a believer.

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      • raises an eyebrow* Proving the intangible is not my speciality - otherwise I'd have had tons of believers by now.

      even if I COULD do something, like Jack with his snow, frost, etc... it took him 300 years to gain a believer. 

      Seeing isn't believing, believing is seeing. 

      You can choose to believe or not to believe, but if you want proof of anything... sorry to say you're going to be as disappointed as Jack was when he spent so much time bringing his snow to children for those centuries only to never get noticed. 

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    • Well it's mine. And I'm not even a Guardian or anything.

      I disagree, that's the way humans work.

      And that's why you would need to prove it. If you really are a Guardian, then you obviously have internet and already have a way to talk to humans. Oh, also, saying where someone lives doesn't count either, since you can get that through other ways.

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    • really? so then you can prove if there is a God? you can prove that love is more than just the chemicals scientists claim? I'd LOVE to see you do that actually. 

      well, maybe it's how YOU work... but it's not how seeing the Guardians works. I thought you knew that... did you maybe miss that somewhere?

      having the net is the ONLY way I can talk to humans. seriously. I don't have any other way. no one can see me, remember? I can affect physical things because I'm not a ghost. 

      Maybe YOU cannot believe without physical proof, but there are others who can. Jamie Bennet had no trouble with it, he believed in the Guardians even before he met them. 

      I'm not a Guardian... just a guardian... I'm not one of them... if I'm ever going to be.

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    • To have it proved, you need to experience yourself, and I have. But you're like everyone else, delusional.

      Miss what? That this is exactly why you don't have any believers?

      You would if you could prove it. Humans are...fragile. They get scared easily by what they don't know.

      Hehe, you'd be very wrong to try to guess what I believe in and what I've gone through, hunny bunny ;)

      Not with that sh*tty attitude, but that's the only attitude you've shown anyway.

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    • So... everyone but you is delusional? wow.... I know I don't like some humans but I certaintly don't go THAT far... 

      Apparently you didn't even bother reading what I wrote if you're asking what you missed -_-;

      I get the feeling at this point you're just responding to every post I make rather than actually reading... so that makes this pointless.

      Just so everyone else knows, my powers work with one of the most intangible things in life. Yeah... 

      You kiss your loved ones with that mouth? My word... 

      What's wrong with my attitude? I WAS human once... so now that I'm immortal I'm supposed to be perfect? wow... wouldn't THAT be nice... 

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    • You're assuming again. I'm probably the most delusional, because I run away while standing still :)

      And what was that?

      I am reading; that's the only way to respond.

      Like?

      Yep, in fact my momma taught me! And if you think that's bad you should see her...You might just sh*t yourself if you think I'm anything near bad ;)

      Nope; you just don't bother trying. Sounds like a human trait, huh?

      I must admit, you're becoming amusing though.

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    • Anyway, since it's been clear that you've wanted to argue with me since we first met, then if you want to continue this go on a Thread with both of us on your Message Wall or go on my Message Wall, this Thread is about theories. So, back on topic, something I've been wondering is that I saw a post on Tumblr saying something about Bunnymund once having a child, or something like that, is that true? Because if it is, I think Sophie and his relationship makes sense then.

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    • First of all, thanks, Ember, for closing the argument here.

      Hmmm... Bunnymind having a child? I do not think it's true. Maybe he did, and the child died. Maybe, he loves Sophie so much because she reminds him of his deceased child. I don't know...

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    • Bunnymund is the last of his race, the Pookas. There were suggestions that Bunnymund may of had a family before his race was destroyed by Pitch and his Fearlings. Sophie may have reminded him of his kid, like you guys said.

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    • wow... well, at this point it's obvious that even if I DID have solid proof you still would write it off... so, not point IN trying... 

      which... (how many times have I said this?) I DON'T have physical proof. you can't physically prove love exists outside BELIEVING that what you see (i.e. hugs, kisses, declarations of love) isn't all just some facade... 

      you can believe I've seen some pretty good facades too... some humans who pretend to love others just to get something from them. kinda sickening actually and it gives my center a bad name.

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    • Well if he did then I think it also makes sense for why they made Sophie's eyes green like Bunny's, instead of brown like Jamie's and her mom, just a thought..

      @Secret You really are clueless XD You could prove it, if you weren't really just a role player, and like I said before, there's more then just romantic love. Anyway, like I said before, if you want an argument go to my Message Wall or reply to a Thread on yours with both of us in it.

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    • @Ember Yeah, maybe.

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    • interesting theory, about Bunnymund... he does have a soft spot for Sophie after all. I think all the Guardians kinda do... although why I can't say I understand. Then again, I haven't met the girl myself.

      @ fangirl I never said romantic love was the only love, and I'd like to know how you expect me to prove this when I've tried everything I can think of with no results.

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    • They probably remind them of someone, like how Jamie looks like Jack's little sister.

      Go to my Message Wall or reply to a Thread on yours~

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    • @Ember Probably.

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    • Rise-guardians-disneyscreencaps.com-4123

      *looking at the comments like what's going on*

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: Hey Jack, we were making theories about who your parents might be.

      Cool! I wish I could say more, but no spoilers...

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    • What's up, Jack?

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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Hey Jack, we were making theories about who your parents might be.

      Cool! I wish I could say more, but no spoilers...

      I understand, Jack.

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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Hey Jack, we were making theories about who your parents might be.

      Cool! I wish I could say more, but no spoilers...

      tease

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: What's up, Jack?

      Rise-guardians-disneyscreencaps.com-6364

      Nothing much! Just came to say hello.

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    • Jamie Bennett wrote:

      Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Hey Jack, we were making theories about who your parents might be.

      Cool! I wish I could say more, but no spoilers...

      tease

      :P

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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: What's up, Jack?

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      Nothing much! Just came to say hello.

      All right! It will great when we find out about your parents and the name of your sister, though everyone here on the thread believes it is Mary.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:

      Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: What's up, Jack?

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      Nothing much! Just came to say hello.

      All right! It will great when we find out about your parents and the name of your sister, though everyone here on the thread believes it is Mary.

      Her name is... Baby Sis! :P She's so cute and adorable.

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    • She is adorable and I hope we see her in your picture book.

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    • Jamie Bennett wrote:
      Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Hey Jack, we were making theories about who your parents might be.

      Cool! I wish I could say more, but no spoilers...
      tease

      Yeah, Jamie. Jack is not going to spoil it for the rest of us, before the book shows up.

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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote:

      Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: What's up, Jack?

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      Nothing much! Just came to say hello.

      All right! It will great when we find out about your parents and the name of your sister, though everyone here on the thread believes it is Mary.

      Her name is... Baby Sis! :P She's so cute and adorable.

      *Facepalm* WHY did I believe you'd say her real name? XD But seriously, I probably laughed way too hard at that XD But yeah, I agree, she is adorable :)

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    • I was definitely amused by that.

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    • Yeah, hahaha XD

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    • hey Jack *waves*

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    • Guys! Jack is Nightlight!!!

      It has been confirmed!!!

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    • The Rush wrote:
      Guys! Jack is Nightlight!!!

      It has been confirmed!!!

      Rush! Shhhh! *whispers* Spoilers

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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:
      The Rush wrote:
      Guys! Jack is Nightlight!!!

      It has been confirmed!!!

      Rush! Shhhh! *whispers* Spoilers

      But it was confirmed and wait... you knew!?

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    • Where??

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    • The Rush wrote:
      Jackson Overland Frost wrote:
      The Rush wrote:
      Guys! Jack is Nightlight!!!

      It has been confirmed!!!

      Rush! Shhhh! *whispers* Spoilers
      But it was confirmed and wait... you knew!?

      Ummm... Well... Oh hey... I think I heard Jamie calling talk to you later. :P

      @The SecretGuardian Hi!!

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    • I just saw that summary and I'm like, "Whaaaat?! Jack is Nightlight?! How can this be?" I know that Nightlight becomes a boy that grows up after doing the Kiss of Good Night, in order to reawaken Katherine, but how can he be Jack?

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    • But where was it confirmed??

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    • Nevermind, but then where does Katherine fall into all that?

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    • @Jack you are a dork. I love it! XD

      @Ember @Skye I saw it on Tumblr and then I checked the Amazon's page and it was there and I'm like... what about his sister?!

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    • That is what I'm wondering now too about Katherine and the sister.

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    • I was wondering that too, and what about his mom and dad?? We see his mom, and what happened to Katherine?? I'm so confused! >.< Jack, we need you to explain!

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    • I'm confused too.

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    • @Rush Where on Tumblr did you find that information?

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      @Rush Where on Tumblr did you find that information?

      From here: http://sweettoothshipperrotg.tumblr.com/post/115154694888/everyone-quiet-down-and-listen

      I find it funny that their big dilemma and I quote: UGH, HOW DO I EVEN SHIP STUFF NOW?!

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    • Which is true since Jack seems to like Tooth, but it also means that Jack as Nightlight has a relationship with Katherine.

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    • All right. My mind is blown too.

      (chuckles) Really? That should be the least of their worries.

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    • Wait, is it possible that Tooth and Katherine are the same person too then maybe?? And yeah that's funny XD

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      I was wondering that too, and what about his mom and dad?? We see his mom, and what happened to Katherine?? I'm so confused! >.< Jack, we need you to explain!

      Sometimes I wonder how much Jack really knows.

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    • No, those two are different people. They both appeared as two different individuals.

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    • I want him to explain so baaaaaaaad!!

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: No, those two are different people. They both appeared as two different individuals.

      Oh wait, we already know Tooth's past, don't we? Oops XD

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    • So do I!

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: No, those two are different people. They both appeared as two different individuals.

      Oh wait, we already know Tooth's past, don't we? Oops XD

      Yes, we do know Tooth's past. It is Katherine's past is what we don't know.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:

      Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: No, those two are different people. They both appeared as two different individuals.

      Oh wait, we already know Tooth's past, don't we? Oops XD

      Yes, we do. It is Katherine's past is what we don't know.

      I forgot we already knew her past and thought she was Katherine for a second XD XD

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    • What about people who ship Jack and Pitch???? Or Jack and Bunny??? Or even Jack and Elsa???? O.o

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    • Well, our minds are blown from finding out about Jack being Nightlight.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      What about people who ship Jack and Pitch???? Or Jack and Bunny??? Or even Jack and Elsa???? O.o

      I have no idea, Ember.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote: Well, our minds are blown from finding out about Jack being Nightlight.

      Yes, my mind is officially blown and I'm not even sure how to feel about it.. I'm just kinda like O.O

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    • The only thing I really want to see is how the books tie in to the movie.

      Maybe Jack was adopted.

      "But when Pitch destroys Mim’s world, he nearly destroys Nightlight too, sending him plunging to Earth where, like Peter Pan, he is destined to remain forever a boy, frozen in time."

      It seems he fell from the heaven and maybe Jack's mom found him and with no memories of who he was, he made a life protecting this kids and his little sister.

      Until the event of ice happened and... 

      But a true friend always comes through, and on one particularly bleak night, Mim shines down and shows Jack a group of children in great peril. 

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:

      Fangirl111 wrote:
      What about people who ship Jack and Pitch???? Or Jack and Bunny??? Or even Jack and Elsa???? O.o

      I have no idea, Ember.

      It creates sooooooooooooooo many problems with shipping! ;n;

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    • Yeah, I'm shocked and in disbelief at what we just found out.

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    • The Rush wrote: The only thing I really want to see is how the books tie in to the movie.

      Maybe Jack was adopted.

      "But when Pitch destroys Mim’s world, he nearly destroys Nightlight too, sending him plunging to Earth where, like Peter Pan, he is destined to remain forever a boy, frozen in time."

      It seems he fell from the heaven and maybe Jack's mom found him and with no memories of who he was, he made a life protecting this kids and his little sister.

      Until the event of ice happened and... 

      But a true friend always comes through, and on one particularly bleak night, Mim shines down and shows Jack a group of children in great peril. 

      Oh wow, more mind blowing over here! O-O

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    • The Rush wrote:
      The only thing I really want to see is how the books tie in to the movie.

      Maybe Jack was adopted.

      "But when Pitch destroys Mim’s world, he nearly destroys Nightlight too, sending him plunging to Earth where, like Peter Pan, he is destined to remain forever a boy, frozen in time."

      It seems he fell from the heaven and maybe Jack's mom found him and with no memories of who he was, he made a life protecting this kids and his little sister.

      Until the event of ice happened and... 

      But a true friend always comes through, and on one particularly bleak night, Mim shines down and shows Jack a group of children in great peril. 

      That could be it then, but it is still mindblowing.

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    • And also, my theory is wrong now ;n; XD

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      Fangirl111 wrote:
      What about people who ship Jack and Pitch???? Or Jack and Bunny??? Or even Jack and Elsa???? O.o
      I have no idea, Ember.

      Well Pitch has a daughter so I don't ship it very much.

      Jack and Bunny... I see what people like them about it because of their rivalry and growing friendship.

      Jack and Elsa. I like the concept of them being together because of their similar situations and powers.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Well, our minds are blown from finding out about Jack being Nightlight.

      Yes, my mind is officially blown and I'm not even sure how to feel about it.. I'm just kinda like O.O

      Ditto!

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    • But it would mean they ship Nightlight and the other character together! It just, ugh, I can't even process it ;O;

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      And also, my theory is wrong now ;n; XD

      All of our theories about Nightlight and Jack being father and son or relatives are wrong now.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:

      Fangirl111 wrote:
      And also, my theory is wrong now ;n; XD

      All of our theories about Nightlight and Jack being father and son or relatives are wrong now.

      But I still love my theory so I'm gonna keep it on my Wiki ^U^

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      But it would mean they ship Nightlight and the other character together! It just, ugh, I can't even process it ;O;

      Me neither.

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    • The Rush wrote:
      Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Well, our minds are blown from finding out about Jack being Nightlight.

      Yes, my mind is officially blown and I'm not even sure how to feel about it.. I'm just kinda like O.O
      Ditto!
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    • Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote:

      Fangirl111 wrote:
      And also, my theory is wrong now ;n; XD
      All of our theories about Nightlight and Jack being father and son or relatives are wrong now.
      But I still love my theory so I'm gonna keep it on my Wiki ^U^

      Good, because I don't want it to go away.

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    • Jackson Overland Frost wrote:

      The Rush wrote:
      Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote: Well, our minds are blown from finding out about Jack being Nightlight.

      Yes, my mind is officially blown and I'm not even sure how to feel about it.. I'm just kinda like O.O
      Ditto!
      Rise-guardians-disneyscreencaps.com-4275

      PLEASE EXPLAIN I'M SO CONFUSED!!! QOQ

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:

      Fangirl111 wrote:

      Skyebreeze wrote:

      Fangirl111 wrote:
      And also, my theory is wrong now ;n; XD
      All of our theories about Nightlight and Jack being father and son or relatives are wrong now.
      But I still love my theory so I'm gonna keep it on my Wiki ^U^

      Good, because I don't want it to go away.

      Aww, thank you ^U^ :D

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    • @Ember You're welcome.

      @Jack Please Jack.

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    • At least we know Jackson Overland Frost is his full name.

      Should we fused Jack and Nightlight's page together or should we keep it as two separate people?

      I vote to keep them separate.

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    • PLEASE Jack, I am begging you, PLEASE ;O;

      @Carlos Separate, I think it might be too long and confusing together...Or at least for now ^-^'

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    • I want to keep them as two separate people.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      PLEASE Jack, I am begging you, PLEASE ;O;

      @Carlos Separate, I think it might be too long and confusing together...Or at least for now ^-^'

      True that so separate it is. :)

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    • Yay!

      @Jack Please explaaaaaaaaaaiiin! O^O

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    • Good, because it will be so confusing to merge the two pages and it will definitely confuse any visitor that comes on the wiki.

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    • Yeah, it'll just confuse right now, but maybe after it'll work?

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    • Fangirl111 wrote: What do you think of this? The theory is that Nightlight became Jack Frost, and that Katherine became Mary (Jack's little sister), I prefer the parent theory, but what do you think of this theory?

      So then the comic in this is correct?

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      @Ember You're welcome.

      @Jack Please Jack.

      ~Can't. No spoilers~ (At least for now)

      You guys got your mind blown with this little piece of information just imagine when you get the book. I can't spoil that. It won't be fun.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:Yeah, it'll just confuse right now, but maybe after it'll work?

      Maybe, but we'll see after we read the books.

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    • But I don't like to wait, Jack ;n;

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    • I don't like waiting either.

      As for the comic, it may be right.

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    • It sounds like it's right so far..

      But why did Mim make Jack/Nightlight wait 300 years to find out he's a Guardian??

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    • I have no idea why.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      It sounds like it's right so far..

      But why did Mim make Jack/Nightlight wait 300 years to find out he's a Guardian??

      Maybe he wanted Jack to have a normal life.To be free to explore the world. And to not be tie down as MiM's personal guard.

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    • But no one could see him :(

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    • @Rush Could be.

      @Ember Yep :(

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    • Fangirl111 wrote:
      But no one could see him :(

      So the one who needs explaining is the Man in the Moon. *looks at window* Care to explain? ... Oh don't you dare give me the silent treatment XD

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    • Hahaha XD

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    • Yes, the silent treatment won't cut it with us, MiM.

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    • XD

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    • Yeah, we are being amusing. XD

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    • Very ;) XD

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    • Yep. :)

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    • Do you guys know how to make a countdown template?

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    • No, I don't know how.

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    • I don't know...Sorry Carlos :(

      And Skye, I added it (that Nightlight is Jack) on the ROTG RP Wiki, but I didn't add the source, unless you want to add it :/

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    • @Ember I'll add it to the page.

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    • Okie, I wasn't sure if it should have been added since it's a role play Wiki, but okay.

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    • @Ember It doesn't matter, people will still role play them as separate individuals.

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    • Only 7 months to go before the book is release... I can't do it...

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    • @Rush Can't do what? The countdown?

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    • @Skye Okie.

      @Carlos Is it a Template like {{}} or like <> and </>?

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    • @Ember Yep.

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    • Carlos, I found this if it helps any!

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    • That looks like a good find, Ember.

      Carlos, what do you think?

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    • Thanks, I hope it works.

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    • You're welcome and me too, Ember.

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    • Fangirl111 wrote: Thanks, I hope it works.

      Thanks Ember. I'll have to try it and see.

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    • I remember someone asking me about creating a page for Jack in the book series but since we didn't know if Jack will ever make an appearance in the series will never created it.

      Who knew we already have a page (Nightlight)? Now the only challenge ahead is to create a History for the characters of:

      1. Ombric
      2. Katherine
      3. Nightlight
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    • New Theory

      I found this theory that might help us.

      The theory is that Nightlight is the final Relic.

      If this true... Then what if at the end of the last book Nightlight used the power of the other relics to stop Pitch. But this caused the lost of his memories while crashing into Earth, being found by Jack's mom and setting the events of RotG.

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    • Yeah, we need to work more on those three regarding their history section.

      I heard about that theory of Nightlight being the final relic. Maybe, that's the case, but we'll have to wait and see.

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    • By the way Rush, did you check the link Ember gave you?

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    • I think we should wait until we get the book before changing anything big (like putting Nightlight and Jack's pages together)...

      Hmm, interesting theory.

      I hope the link with the countdown thing works so we can have the counter on the Wiki for the book :)

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    • Yep. :)

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    • Guys! The Guardians Chapter Book 5 is available for preorder!

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    • That's great Rush. Have you tried to do the count down timer from the link? I'm trying to figure out how to do it and I'm struggling to make it.

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    • Yeah, that's awesome! And I also tried to make the timer, but I couldn't, so I think I'll ask people on CC.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      That's great Rush. Have you tried to do the count down timer from the link? I'm trying to figure out how to do it and I'm struggling to make it.

      I'm trying it in another wiki to see it works but according to the link it says that it would take a day to keep in.

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    • Okay.

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    • I asked on Central, so now I'm just going to wait for a reply and see.

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    • All right, Ember.

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      • is confused by this whole revelation*
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    • TheSecretGuardian wrote:
      *is confused by this whole revelation*

      Don't worry. You are not the only one.

      The thing I want to figure out is to see if the picture books follow the story set in the novels. 

      Hey @Skye I was checking Tumblr out and I found this:

      The picture books supposedly aren’t connected at all to the film or the novels; they’re sort of like AU’s (minus Manny’s - his is just background information since it was the first picture book released in this series). So Jack’s book is most likely like that - an alternate universe. We won’t know for sure what goes on in the story until the book is actually released, but judging from the book cover (Nightlight is Jack’s shadow) and from what we are guessing, it would appear Nightlight reformed into Jack Frost at one point.

      Do you have the Man in the Moon and Sandy's picture book? If you do, do you think this is true?

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    • @Rush Yes, I do have both of the picture books. The picture books do follow the novels.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      @Rush Yes, I do have both of the picture books. The picture books do follow the novels.

      The Man in the Moon and William Joyce have some explaining to do.

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    • Yeah, they do.

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    • The Rush wrote:
      TheSecretGuardian wrote:
      *is confused by this whole revelation*
      Don't worry. You are not the only one.

      The thing I want to figure out is to see if the picture books follow the story set in the novels. 

      Hey @Skye I was checking Tumblr out and I found this:

      The picture books supposedly aren’t connected at all to the film or the novels; they’re sort of like AU’s (minus Manny’s - his is just background information since it was the first picture book released in this series). So Jack’s book is most likely like that - an alternate universe. We won’t know for sure what goes on in the story until the book is actually released, but judging from the book cover (Nightlight is Jack’s shadow) and from what we are guessing, it would appear Nightlight reformed into Jack Frost at one point.

      Do you have the Man in the Moon and Sandy's picture book? If you do, do you think this is true?

      hmmmm... maybe it's true then... or maybe they're just related?  

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    • @Rush Where on tumblr did you find that info about the novels and picture books not connecting?

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      @Rush Where on tumblr did you find that info about the novels and picture books not connecting?

      I found it when I was searching The Guardians of Childhood tag.

      http://frigidlyauthorial.tumblr.com/post/115175314722/jakc-is-nightlight-what-the-fujk-whatg

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    • I was curious to what the person answer, so I wanted to verified before jumping into conclusions. 

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    • I see. I think someone is speculating again and may or may not read the books carefully.

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      I see. I think someone is speculating again and may or may not read the books carefully.

      Yup! You are right. So for now we just have to wait and see what William may reveal to us. 

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    • Yes, thank you. Yeah, we have to wait.

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    • A person on Central gave me two links for the counter. There's this one and they also gave me a link to a Template on a different Wiki, so hopefully these help! :)

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    • @Ember Those are good links, Ember. Let's see if they help.

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    • I hope they help :)

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    • We need to create a template page for the countdown.

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    • Okay, are you going to do that?

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    • Well, I try.

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    • I don't think I'll try because I don't want to mess anything up...

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    • Okay, I'm just looking up how to make a template page for it.

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    • Okay, good luck! :)

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    • Thank you.

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    • When I tried to do the template, it is not working. :(

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    • Oh :( Maybe Carlos could try when he gets on?

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    • Yep. Yeah, that is what I am thinking.

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    • I hope he can get it to work.

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    • Me too.

      I wish we can have an explanation of what is going on in the books.

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    • Me too, I REALLY want to know! ;O;

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    • We all do and Jack is refusing to tell us what he knows.

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    • I know, it's not fair :C

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    • Agreed. :(

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    • He's making us suffer waiting for the book on purpose ;n;

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    • Yep, he doesn't want to release any more spoilers.

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    • But I want to know so bad! :'O

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    • So do I, but we have to wait unfortunately.

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    • Waiting hurts so much ;n; XD

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    • I don't like waiting either.

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    • I want to know so bad though ;n;

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    • The rest of us want to know too.

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    • I know! He should tell us! :C

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    • Definitely! The relevation still has my mind blown.

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    • I'm still mind blown too QOQ

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    • Yeah...

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    • New Theory:

      Since Jack is Nightlight
      What if the reason Jack seems attach to Jamie is not because he reminds him of his sister, but because Jamie and his sister remind him (subconsciously) of Katherine.

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    • Wow, that could be very interesting, Rush.

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    • Happy Easter!

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    • Happy Easter, Jamie! :)

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    • Jamie Bennett wrote:
      Happy Easter!

      Aaaaaaw Jamie! You are so sweet! Happy Easter buddy!

      Snowballs and Fun Times! 01:06, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

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    • Happy Easter to you too, Jamie!

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    • RotG 2: The Dark Moon

      Four years have passed after the events of RotG.

      First Scene: North is seen watching the Globe. A smile spread across his face as new lights has been appearing every day. He continued smiling as he turns around to help the Yetis with the new toys.

      Second Scene: Eggs are seeing running around the Warren but Bunny is nowhere to be seen. As the camera goes Deeper into the Warren, Bunny is seen running around before he stopped in front of a staff with an egg shape "spear".

      Third Scene: Some mini fairies are seeing flying around collecting teeth as Sandy spreads some dreams. Baby Tooth is sitting on Sandy's cloud watching her fellow Fairies working.

      Four Scene: Tooth is giving orders to her fairies before she communicates with Baby Tooth. Baby Tooth nods before she gave the message to Sandy, which is "Have you found any sign of Pitch? I'm worry he might be planning something." *Sandy communicates by shaking his head no* *Baby Tooth send her the message and Tooth just says Oh.

      Fifth Scene: Burgess is cover in snow and laughter can be hear but no one can be seen. In the park, there's 5 small mountains of snow and they started to shake until a head pokes out. It's Monty and then another head pops out and another and another. It's Pippa, Caleb, Claude and Cupcake.

      "We win!" A voice said. It was Jamie.

      "Woo!" A voice said before Jamie was tackle to the floor. Laughter feel the air as Jack help Jamie up before picking up a five year old Sophie.

      "Of course you win! You have the prince of snow in your team." Claude said before he was hit on the face with a snowball.

      "I don't think is Jack we have to worry about." Pippa said before it was revealed that Sophie threw the snowball causing everyone to laugh.

      Scene 6: The scene changed to a dark tone one. A voice can be heard coming from different places. There stood a girl with long black hair.The voice seems to beg the girl for her help. The voice keep calling her... daughter...


      Scene 7: The chains appear from underground before launching themselves to the moon. The Moon becomes dark as a eclipse is being created.

      The Guardians are panicking as they can't communicate with the Man in the Moon.

      A portal has been opened as Jack appeared with children from Burgess.

      What's going on? - Jack said

      Pitch is back - Bunny said

      And we can't communicate with Manny - Tooth said.

      We beat him before, we can do it again. - Jamie said.

      No. He's too powerful if he was able to stop the moon. - Jack said.

      But how did he get so powerful - Pippa asked.

      He's getting help from his... daughter. - North said.


      A light appeared before coming down in front of everyone.

      Three human figures are revealed and... a giant goose?!

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    • Wow, where did you find that idea? Did you make it up?

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    • Skyebreeze wrote:
      Wow, where did you find that idea? Did you make it up?

      Well the Eclipse - I remember that one of the first plot for RotG was Pitch using some chains to stop the moon from moving/causing an eclipse.

      And I was trying to figure out how will Rise of the Guardians 2 will be and boom it came to me in a dream so technically is Sandy's idea. XD (The dream was like a commercial on the TV.)

      And I fell in love with the idea because it kind of connects things with the books and it seems Pitch was able to trick his daughter in to joining him. And it brings "new" characters and there's a part in which Jack starts to shine and everyone can see aaaaaaaaaaah. I can't!

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    • Oh, I see. That is cool and it could happen.

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    • (Really late reply sorry sorry sorry) Oooh, that sounded interesting, and Emily Jane is in it! :D

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    • Yeah, I like that idea too.

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    • Yep!

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    • sounds like Sandy's hard at work trying to get the rest of their story out... ooooh, this should be exciting! 

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    • Yes, it should be Secret. :)

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    • Yep!

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    • What I want to know is what exactly is Katherine's and Jack Frost's relationship? I think Jack knows Katherine, but does he remember her when he was Nightlight or are those memories hidden or wiped/gone away?

      For some reason I thought Katherine's earrings from the picture Mr. Joyce posted looked like crystals and I thought they were a gift from Nightlight/Jack from his dagger! Is his memories in there?

      In my option, Nightlight grew up and became human Jack after he gave Katherine his Goodnight Kiss, that's why his hair and eyes are brown instead of white and green because he's not a nightlight anymore. He's in America because that's where Katherine has her library based and was adopted by a family. :) He's really 17 but looks 14 because of the lack of food and nourishment and that's why he still has some of his baby teeth left!

      Then as I was reading the third book again, I thought I saw a picture of Vanish - Toothiana's little sister! It was a picture of a mini-tooth, it looked exactly like Vanish!!! She's either a mini tooth that became her own self, Baby Tooth all grown up or Toothiana's parents some how had another child on the run from the Monkey King.

      As for romance I still ship Katherine/Nightlight Jack. But I can see a bond between Vanish and Toothiana as sisters ganging up on Jack flirting with him left and right! The poor guy is quite bewildered by it all! LOL!

      Jack, in my option, doesn't understand romantic feelings because he's stuck between grown up and childhood....teenager! He has great fond warmth for all the girls, a little more for Katherine but that's because of Nightlight lingering feelings, but he never got around to know what romantic love was because he was having fun and caring for his sister for anyone to explain properly! That and North was too embarrassed. :) Bunnymund just rolled his eyes. He knows what love is but not the romantic part of it.

      Now I wonder if Katherine had any suitors when she grew up or did the rest of the guardians, expectantly North and Kailash run them off?! Poor Williams!! LOL! Or has her heart always and forever be Jack Nightlight? Or am I over reading/thinking/analyzing things again?! lol!

      Did North ever got a Mrs. Claus or was this never really true and added on by humans because he needed a wife? More respectable that way?

      I haven't asked Mr. Joyce any of this because I don't have a Twitter/Instagram account and it would be silly to get one just for a few answers. I would never use it again.

      Needless to say I'm quite excited for the last book to come out and I can't wait! The pictures and glimpses Mr. Joyce has shown us have been awesome and exciting!

      Now what's this about Jack Frost/Nightlight, an affair and a dancer?! Marriage?! What?!

      How old is Katherine anyhow? Early or mid twenties?

      I would if Katherine and Jamie Bennett would meet they would have a lot to talk about!!!

      One last thing, Jack's frost lighting attack is a combine of his snow frost and some of his leftover Nightlight powers....because it lights up the sky! Giggles.

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    • Quite interesting theoties. Hm, as for the relationship between Katherine and Jack... maybe he would remember her, if he would only see her (but as she is quite an adult), it would be a bit difficult to remember her... but still, maybe he will recognize her by her charming eyes or her personality? Who knows. 

      Maybe she got them by Nightlight.... but if they are some like crystals.... she could even gotten from North (as she would miss Nightlight, and he made her earings in his memories of him). 

      Okay.

      Oh wow. 

      hahaha, poor Jack indeed. 

      That is true. 

      I think Katherine had sutors, but I think her heart still bellongs to Nightlight. 

      We will see that in the rest of the book(s). But as I am looking around (mostly around the movie), I could ask, who then made the cookies? North had too much work in his sleeve and I don't believe he does cook or bake or does eggnock. If the elves could make it, then I applause to them. But I have a hunch that a woman was making all those things. 

      I understand you. I also do not have his Twitter. 

      I agree. 

      Hm, I could say she is (and Katherine, please don't hate me for this), she is going to her 30's. 

      Yes, I think they would have had lots to talk about. 

      Hmm. Well, yes. His staff could light when he was in the darkness. 

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    • I like the idea that North gave Katherine her earrings! I can see North doing something sweet like that. Such a great big brother!

      What do you mean by the comment of ' oh wow or okay' ? I understand that you're responding to my comments but I can't tell which ones. 

      In the books the Yeti's are the ones who do the cooking, they are quite good at it! So maybe a human stumbled upon Santa's workshop or some people pair the spirit of the Forest with North but who knows?! 

      Katherine in her early thirties looks about right for some of the pictures. No hate here just glad someone responded to my thoughts! 

      Jack channels his power through twiggy but it's inside him.

      I'm reading the last book that is out and I'm seeing Jack quite clearly then the other books, Jack is peeking out because Nightlight is changing and the core of his personality is the same but he's growing up! Jack is coming! It's not as sad as I thought because he is Nightlight but his personality is quite bolder Jack like! 😀 It could be when he's trying to get people attention so boldness.

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    • Hmmm... maybe somekind of a friend better.

      The second and third paragraph.

      Oh, I didn't knew they could cook. Yes.

      Alright.

      Yes, that we have seen when he repaired his staff.

      I think he is trying to get peoples attention.

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    • I'm reading the last book and Nightlight when he daggered Pitch's heart they landed in America!!!! In a town called Tanglewood which is a part of Nathaniel Hawthorne's tales. Burgess was named Hawthorne in the books..which maybe was called Tanglewood before?! Aka Nightlight Jack is from America!!! 

      Nightlight and Katherine "romance" is bittersweet because she grows up completely and he stays a teenager. 😍🤔😑 But they will always be guardians together. 😍

      William Joyce has an amazing imagination, he planned all this from the beginning because Jack was in the first children's picture book as a star formation and Nightlight was made of a star!!! So cool!

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    • Well if that is so, then it was called Tanglewood before, then it was renamed Burges.

      That is true.

      That is an awsome info!

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    • Here's a theory. In a crossover, could Emily Jane (mother nature) also be Te Fiti from Moana? Because both have the same powers of manipulating elements and nature, very similar nicknames (mother island- mother nature) and all we know of Emily Jane is her history up until she got to earth, right? How long ago was this? Is it possible that it was so long ago that earth was mainly an ocean, and Emily Jane created the continents and islands, and then finally changed her own form into that of an island so she could retire peacefully and forget her past and "move on" like she had told Sandy she so longed to do?

      Am I talking absolute madness? 😅😅 Plz somebody reply.

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    • Actually, this theory is not possible if we think of the real world reasons and scenarios that would be behind it; Moana was made by Disney, while ROTG was made by DreamWorks, so just like a Frozen or Tangled and ROTG theory, it isn't possible in reality - at least not currently.

      If we think about it as just in the terms of story however, I'm not too entirely sure, though Emily and Pitch were actually alive during The Golden Age, to answer your question. I would lean more towards a no, since there would be too many missing answers for questions rn, unless you have some more of your theory developed as of yet :)

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